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If it bothers me that five women were standing on the train & no man offered a seat, is that sexist, chivalry, simple manners, or what? assume all are healthy.

Date: 2008-12-18 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tiger-stripes.livejournal.com
Simple manners, especially if they're wearing high-heels.

Chivalry -- maybe. It's just in a very deep coma, not dead ;-)

Date: 2008-12-18 11:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] furious-mold.livejournal.com
I'd say simple manners.

But, that scenario is just part of daily city living.

All of the years I rode the bus/trolley and had to stand no one ever offered me a seat. I never even thought about it.

Date: 2008-12-18 11:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] discogravy.livejournal.com
i would say sexist

Date: 2008-12-19 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quaryn-dk.livejournal.com
I had to go looking at the explanation of your icon, as my first thought was "lesser-known Nordic country". I've been living in Scandinavia way, way too long...

Date: 2008-12-19 05:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sylvar.livejournal.com
Huh. I never spotted that either.

Date: 2008-12-19 12:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sexandsoup.livejournal.com
I'm going to have to go with sexist (though I'll amend that by saying that I don't think chivalry would be any better).

Date: 2008-12-19 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] segnbora.livejournal.com
Why should possession of a uterus make a woman less able to stand, or a penis make a man more able? I never would expect anyone to offer a seat unless I'm obviously limping, ill, or perhaps holding large bundles; in fact I'd probably look at a guy funny if he did offer normal me a seat. And I'd hope anyone, male or female, would offer their seat to a man who is obviously limping, ill, or carrying large bundles.

Date: 2008-12-19 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quaryn-dk.livejournal.com
Though I'd have to echo what people above have said about if the women are wearing high heels, 'cuz they're a bitch to stand on in public transit.

Date: 2008-12-19 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] discogravy.livejournal.com
yes, but that's a conscious decision those women made. I wouldn't be particularly inclined to give my seat to a dude in high heels either (even if they made his legs look faaaaaabulous).

Date: 2008-12-19 01:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fizzgig-bites.livejournal.com
Given that everything is normal, I would be uncomfortable if a man offered me a seat. I don't know if it would be shock because it rarely happens or I would wonder what he wanted from me. I would probably refuse because I would feel bad for displacing him and I love swinging while on trains and buses. I like hanging on for dear life.

There has only been one time I can remember where I wish someone would have taken pity on me and given me a seat. Bug was dead tired and feel asleep while standing up. I ended up sitting on the floor with her in my lap and Ed standing next to me to make sure I didn't get trampled.

As for you, it's good manners. Oh, chivalry is dead and only exists on SCA weekends, IMHO.

Date: 2008-12-19 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wedash.livejournal.com
Smiles, my husband is actually rather chivalrous, I think it just depends. He and his family are from the midwest so all of the men in his family are chilvarous. If they are seated and a lady walks up they rise because that is what a gentleman does. They also open doors and would no doubt offer their seat. Course, they are also a bit chauvanistic to varying degrees so you gotta take the good with the bad.

Date: 2008-12-19 03:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shlafe.livejournal.com
I'd feel weird if someone offered me a seat unless I was pregnant or bald. I try to offer mine to older people and pregnant women, because I remember what it was like. I'd offer mine to a pregnant man, too, if one came along. :)

Date: 2008-12-19 10:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] quaryn-dk.livejournal.com
I would call you delightfully well-mannered and a little old-fashioned, and then pat you on the head for being wonderful. Even if I have to stretch to reach the top of your head.

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